Curse

Konig Des Todes · Dec 11, 2008, 11:31 AM // 11:31

And with that, it is on two props. Therefore not the last translatable language. And is simply gibberish.

Sadly.

Free Runner · Dec 11, 2008, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Actually if you look you'll notice they are not the same text. Also only one is a prop (the Golem Banner) and the other is a bundle.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 11, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Not the same text, but the same origin/language. As it seems, this is a singular language we are looking for. Of course, how I'm looking at Matthew's wording (one prop, one language - not one prop, one text) is that it is on one item.

And, what's exactly the difference between a prop and a bundle in your terms? Because what was thinking he meant was one object (whether on only one, or on many duplicates of the same thing - unknown, but the question was brought to Matthew and we are waiting on a response).

Well at 6 in the morning here, I am finally tired. So time to make some z's I guess.

Free Runner · Dec 11, 2008, 12:00 PM // 12:00

When he said prop i was under the impression he was talking about things found in the backgrounds of Explorable Areas.

When he says its on one prop as mentioned he could of simply forgotten that a similar text appears on that bundle. As it is that Banner is only in that mission and i have never seen that text before. It was also hidden behind the Golem in G.O.L.E.M (I only noticed it by chance).

I'm not saying its the text but that we shouldnt throw it away yet - not until we have found more props.

Shasgaliel · Dec 11, 2008, 03:06 PM // 15:06

what about those signs which are all over EoTN. Like "avalanche" "wurm breeding area" etc. If they have different markings depending on what they mean we can have a language...

EDIT: Maybe tablet in Jaga Morraine?

"In memory of the Norn who ventured into the bottomless pit to discover if it leads to the other side of the world:

Askel Cliffdiver

Gunolf the Mountain

Hardi Jotuncrusher

May they find glory and honor in the Mists should they never return."

Might be tombs of Norn outside Gunnars hold.

Might be the monster description tablets in sifhala but they all look the same to me...

Konig Des Todes · Dec 11, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Norn markers were considered, but they are all the same. So it depends on Matthew's responce to Amantis' last question:

By one prop, does it mean only one in one place, or on item with duplicates.

If it's the first, then anything that has a copy, cannot be it.

The tombs we have checked, they are blank. Same with the monster descriptions in Sifhalla.

Scythe O F Glory · Dec 11, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

what about those signs which are all over EoTN. Like "avalanche" "wurm breeding area" etc. If they have different markings depending on what they mean we can have a language...

EDIT: Maybe tablet in Jaga Morraine?

"In memory of the Norn who ventured into the bottomless pit to discover if it leads to the other side of the world:

Askel Cliffdiver

Gunolf the Mountain

Hardi Jotuncrusher

May they find glory and honor in the Mists should they never return."

Might be tombs of Norn outside Gunnars hold.

Might be the monster description tablets in sifhala but they all look the same to me...

But those are already deciphered if you can read them...

And also I'm going to have to agree with Azazel in that it looks like gibberish on the Beacon. It doesnt look like individual letters, more like a long string of scribbles. Unless its some form of cursive?

Gmr Leon · Dec 12, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scythe O F Glory

It doesnt look like individual letters, more like a long string of scribbles. Unless its some form of cursive?

Or Arabic, or Sanskrit, or..Any of the Middle Eastern languages have a style that appears that way, to an extent at least.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 12, 2008, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Scythe, I wasn't saying it looks like gibberish, but that it is gibberish - i.e., cannot be translated.

Just like the (apparently) untranslatable Elonian lettering, it looks like a form of middle-eastern language.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 12, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Update Notice:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Medina

Definitely the second one. Although if I recall correctly, the prop placement is such that it just requires a "short" walk. --Matthew Medina 15:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Nonsense_Runes

So I suppose that kicks out lvl 2 and on for dungeons, and it is a duplicatable object.

Sir Cusfreak · Dec 13, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

I think this is what we're looking for. Its a short walk, to be sure. Also, its repeated. It looks like a language and text to me.
The problem I'm seeing is that there arent really any repeated symbols. I looked at some of the old runic alphabets and I see some definite similarities, but nothing I'm seeing a way to use.

Let me know what ya'll think.

<if this IS it, then I'm glad I could be a part of it. Once translated/decrypted, I'd love to know what it says.>

Happy Hunting.

Scythe O F Glory · Dec 13, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

That one looks decipherable. But where exactly is this? Ill need better screenshots to clearly make out the letters.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 13, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

That was actually the first thing brought up in our guild. We took it as most likely gibberish due to the mass amount of them, but it is worth looking into for sure.

Sir Cusfreak · Dec 13, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

there are a few matches here, but not enough to tell me much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

same here
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hungarian_runes.htm

and here
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm#gothic

anyway, I'm going back to playing the game now. I'll try some more of this later.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 13, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Those definably look like the origins of these runes.

Possibly same with the Tyrian language - in design that is.

I'll go ahead and start translating if possible.

Edit: yeah, this doesn't translate anything, at least with the given runes.

Going with exact and similar runes you get: (letters separated by |, possibilities separated by /)

-|'/k|-/(-|i/j/is/ice/isca)/(-|-|i/j/is/ice/isca)
(R|a|-)/-/(R|-)|-|-|i/j/is/ice/isca
a|(-|k/kw|-)/-|(i/j/is/ice/isca|i/j/is/ice/isca|-|-)/(i/j/is/ice/isca|i/j/is/ice/isca|-)/-
-|k/kw|R|-|(i/j/is/ice/isca|-)/-
i/j/is/ice/isca|(k|-|i/j/is/ice/isca)/-
-|-|(i/j/is/ice/isca/-s)|/(i/j/is/ice/isca|-|s)/(i/j/is/ice/isca|-)/-

Only alternative I can see to making this translatable, is to compare it to the Tyrian alphabet (as they seem similar) or to find more runes. But it looks like this is, in fact, not it.

Sir Cusfreak · Dec 13, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

I have a similar chart here on my notebook, only more of mine are scratched out.

we pretty much know this cant be translated as a cypher or cryptogram, per se; not enough letters repeat to make intellegable words. However, I still have a hard time dismissing it, considering it fits the criteria so perfectly. (on a repeated prop, short walk, overlooked language, the runic discussion on the talk page, etc.)
I know a lot of these base languages used just as many - or more - symbols as whole words, as they did letters or actual alphabet; but theres not enough of a guide or reference for being able to translate it if thats the case here.
I do know that almost every symbol on it appears here, (or very very close) but using it would again be basing thought of it as alphabet, which we know doesnt work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Runicus

However -
one of my favorite quotes:
"just because you don't know what the answer is, doesn't mean there isn't one." - some wiseass or another. I forget who.

long story short, I dont think I'm ready to give up on this being the object of our search just yet.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 13, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Do note that the word short is in quotation marks. Sometimes this represent sarcasm, so it could be in fact a long walk instead of a short walk.

While I couldn't translate it, I saw something interesting which is off-topic to this, so I won't bring it up until I make a new thread.

You can keep on this object and credit will go to you if it is, but my guild and myself are hoping that this is in fact not the language, as it would be too short of a search and would leave the lore community back to being inactive.

Free Runner · Dec 13, 2008, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Its hard to tell if they have overexagerated on it. I can see similarites to other runic languages such as Norse.

Any chance you could post a full image of all the text? the part at the bottom is cut off.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 13, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Check the attachment for the full sign, lighted up.

Sir Cusfreak · Dec 13, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

@ Azazal:

of course he was being sarcastic.

I'd also like to point out that Mr. Medina also put the word "translatable" in quotation marks.

at first when I saw the "short" walk comment, I figured for sure it meant this would be Dwarven or Asuran...but after looking at where these signposts are, I think the sarcasm may come from the fact that there's really no walk at all, not that it's a real hike.

Just an opinion, meaningless as all the rest.

Have fun.